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Post by {DOJ}Icehawk{GFM}{Emmisary} on Jan 11, 2006 0:07:52 GMT
LOL, we were nothing but respectful to you on our forums. I did not once make any outburst toward you on the forums, and I know that no other DOJ did either. It was while our Senate was voting on the matter, you withdrew your "proposed peace" and blew up at us because we werent moving fast enough for you. You asked why it was taking so long and I told you. It was you that ruined any chance for peace. That last episode of yours on the forums was the last straw.
Also, I did not say that NO asked SPID to join the war, only that I applaud SPID's Neutrality.
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Post by {DOJ}Icehawk{GFM}{Emmisary} on Jan 11, 2006 9:25:10 GMT
Hmm, from reading those screens which I already have seen the original and I have not altered them in the slightest. I would say we were both rude in a sense, and Wingmans comments you brought on yourself. I could be considered rude by not giving you any reply for about 1 day, but since diplomacy is rarely a fast process 1 day is not a long time to wait. If my 1 day of making you wait isnt truly rude, then you would be the 1st by blowing up about the senate taking too long. Im sorry that we cant all be as fast as you want us to be, but thats the way it is. Our senate has ppl from all around the world, and most of us have jobs and school. Trying to schedule things compatibly is difficult. Now, you should know that from your experiences in the Senate. I could have called a meeting that I knew know 1 would show up to, but that wouldnt be a meeting now would it?
You brought on Wingman's wrath by admitting to something we already knew (That you refuse to play any of the higher ranked members that challenge you, and you intentionally target the new members.) But even with that, he was quiet until finally you decided we werent fast enough for you. Hence, you did in a sense bring that down upon yourself.
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Post by grendel on Jan 11, 2006 11:24:11 GMT
Hi gentlemen Lets cease this before it gets out of hand. SPID's view on ANY "wars" in TW is that they are unnecessary and that they tend to lead to flaming. Instead of a pointless war, why don't you organise a properly run tournement? If your two clans find this proposition agreeable, but can not agree on the finer details, why not ask for a mediating clan, such as SPID or WOT to organise the tourney for you. I personally would be glad to do this,as I believe it would be far more productive than name throwing and mud slinging, though I'm sure you could find other individuals who would be glad to help out. Chin chin Grendy p.s. Say hello to Yoshida for me, its always a pleasure to play the dude
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Post by {DOJ}Icehawk{GFM}{Emmisary} on Jan 11, 2006 20:52:38 GMT
You said in your 1st message "Every new recruit plays us and sees we are not animals, only making it harder to fight us". You saying that was the striking of the match to set Wing off. Like I said, once you confirmed what we already knew, you brought it on yourself. By the way how is "I said i would only play against them." Not targeting? Especially when I know you are refusing challenges from our higher ranked members. If you refuse to fight high ranked, and you will fight the low......thats targeting buddy!
As for a tourny, that is not how we fight a war. FTD already knows that. I do appriciate your offer though Grendel.
Feel free to remove our banter from your forums at any time. I am only replying to defend myself and my clan. I would expect nothing different if you were in my shoes. Hail SPID!
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Post by fightingtilldone on Jan 11, 2006 21:53:43 GMT
Ok SPID, thanx for the offer. I guess this war will go on forever, hence no one will just disband. Why play Your members over and over. I just keep beating them over and over. Hell even when you are losing you just leave and freeze game. Any ways, thanx again Grendel, i guess DOJ does not want everyone to see the outcome of all of this. I will not post again and i am removing my earlier post. For they are un called for in your halls. I await the day that these DOJ guys realize that war is pointless and has no meaning in game and we all play on even battle fields. I did not start this war, thereforei can not end it. You are EMPEROR ICEHAWK, this is the only thing you ever asked the senate for... You use the senate as an excuse to take you sweet time and try to show people that they mean nothing to you. That is not respect and i have always shown you respect. Prove otherwise if you can! I gave you 5 days and you decided to not take the opportunity i offered. So be it!!! FTD - OUT
FTD *BOWS TO SPID*
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Post by Waylander on Jan 11, 2006 22:42:32 GMT
Gentlemen - I speak for myself here and not for Spid *bows* however this affair is beginning to become distasteful.
Such affairs should be sorted out on the field of combat. The affair as it stands leaves a bad taste in the mouth. DOJ are an honourable clan, i have always found them so - in fact i consider them a clan whose sense of honour others would do well to take heed of. Whenever I have faced them on the field, whether win or lose, I have found them to be an able and worthy clan.
However in this issue - and again my friends, this is a personal view only - I believe they would do well to dispense with the constant communication - and fight NO.
This goes for New Order to. I must agree whole heartedly with Grendel. I accept that your clans are at war and although i believe this to be a futile and self harming affair, it is an affair of your choosing and i respect your choices.
However what better way to conduct such a war than in an honourable fashion in a tourney??
Where better to display your skills than in tourney?
In times more honourable, a man that felt insulted or betrayed ( DOJ in this instance) by another (New Order) would challenge them to a duel, an affair of honour where the best fighter won. Gentlemen I believe this is the way forward. A war of attrition between two clans weakens both. I for one do not wish to see this happen.
*bows*
Hail NO, Hail DOJ
Yours,
{SPID}-Waylander
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Post by grendel on Jan 11, 2006 22:59:28 GMT
Wise words Waylander.
Quick someone call the emergency services, Someone has abducted Waylander and replaced him with a sane member of society
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Post by Waylander on Jan 11, 2006 23:03:50 GMT
i can be thoughtful when needs must *amused*
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Post by fightingtilldone on Jan 12, 2006 0:23:11 GMT
Excellent speech , for i did not breathe the whole time. I agree with you in more ways than one. I erased all my post from before, so you did not get to see me accept Gredel's excellent idea. This is a WAR of control, my friend. There were 5 of us that wanted to go our own way. It is a game and a free world. I did it peacfully and was hated on because my friends wanted to come as well.
I never asked or told them to come, it is only because they respect me and my honor. I do wish to fight this in a tournament, for i too think it is where all CLAN WARS should be fought. What good does it do, to keep on fighting? No one will succeed, to terms thats icehawk has given. We are just a clan trying to have a good time, and to keep the politiccs out as much as possible. I have never wanted anything more than to have a good time, and a war was the last thing i wanted. I will never stop having fun with this game, because one person(who is younger than I) feels that since i was in his clan i will always follow his rule. I want this tourny, just to say it is over if nothing more. I want peace and to finally be able to talk and play with my friends again.
Why wouldn't DOJ want the same? It honestly hurts me to be in this situation because DOJ was my first guide through this game. My mother clan if you would. New Order is here to stay ICEHAWK, wether you like it or not....
FTD *BOWS TO ALL*
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Post by {DOJ}Icehawk{GFM}{Emmisary} on Jan 12, 2006 7:37:25 GMT
FTD, you know that I use the Senate consistantly. To dare say that I only use them occasionally is a completely false, and you know it from your time as a Senator. You know from your time as a Senator that if I put an issue before the senate and rush it, nothing would change. Considering we all have opposite schedules, it is difficult to make a meeting where all senators can be heard. 5 days is nothing, and you know it, especially because it was during the work week. After all of the things you have said and done, this war will not end.
A tourny war is a nice thought, but it is not how DOJ fights wars. I appriciate the thought and the gesture made by Grendel and Waylander. DOJ is an honorable clan. It always has been. We are constantly trying to fight NO, but sadly thier members refuse us. We are not going to decide a war on 1 tourny, but a long term fight.
I do not wish to continue a pointless argument in these great halls. If FTD feels the same way, he will not continue this thread any further. If of course FTD continues, I shall defend DOJ and myself whom he targets personally.
Hail honorable SPID clan!
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Post by piggy on Jan 12, 2006 7:54:14 GMT
I think this tread should be locked before this becomes a flaming war
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Post by {DOJ}Icehawk{GFM}{Emmisary} on Jan 12, 2006 9:56:12 GMT
I suggest removing this thread in its entirity.
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Post by grendel on Jan 12, 2006 16:11:33 GMT
I believe the thread should remain, as it began as a thread of an alliance between WOT and SPID. An alliance which has since grown in strength over several online games. Also to delete the thread would destroy Waylander's fine words. (It makes a refreshing change to his usual spamming) And whilst we welcome comments from anyone, we would ask everyone not to insult,( however slight the insult may be), any other clan,or individual, within these forums.
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Post by fightingtilldone on Jan 12, 2006 17:26:32 GMT
Fine, no tournament then. This war will continue in DOJ halls, but not in NO's. You can say what you would like about us. DOJ is never on and my members are tired of fighting against DOJ. They rather just have fun on RTW/BI. Constantly trying to fight us, is a over statement in the least. New Order will remain to consider the war against DOJ dead... for the SS show all I need to see and We are shifting back to just having fun. In time all will forget this whole thing and no one will come out on top, unless they just lie. So we do not claim victory nor do we admit defeat. New Order will just maintain it status of NON-AGGRESSION against any DOJ and will continue to boycott your games until this whole thing is blown over. Tourny would have been fun though, and it would have shown a light at the end of the tunnell! Oh well we all tried to make short peace, instead we get long aggression...
FTD *BOWS to gracious SPID and well spoken DOJ*
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Post by fightingtilldone on Jan 13, 2006 1:58:50 GMT
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